Dude, why'd you reply it's got troll post written all over it. Don't feed.

I disagree, Dust isn't about visible combat.
Its All Out War.

Sniprs are a part of war, its just about tactics, snipers are a tactic and a very good one.

Fact of the matter is, not many snipers can guarentee 25+ kills every map they land upon, so whats the issue here?


Scout, 1st set of proto safe spotted uplinks, then get shot in the back while hacking with 4 blues watching me

Scout, 2nd and 3rd set of uplinks. Again get shot in the back with blues standing around trying to high five each other like in DAY-Z

If I don't see a decent heavy in the killfeed, or a squad that needs my support, yeah I'll snipe but I tell you what, I never go back to the merc quarters without 20+ dogtags and top of the board.

They're useful for guarding hacked objectives. In some maps one sniper can keep two objectives safe from being hacked +Ñt once as long as the sniper knows of the sweet spots to camp.

I have posted this else where.. we have a DIRECT CORELATION BETWEEN TANKS 514 and REDLINE SNIPERS

It happened in 1.3-1.4 (I think) when we all used to jihad lav, and go ape about tanks being broken AND say snipers are useless...

Fixed Tank OP, everyone stopped hate on snipers, TANKS 514 everyone hates snipers...

Well, then say something that is actually objective in not like well you opinion, you're apparently dismissing a class because you feel bad about how cheese the heck out of it. I'm denying that sniping in this gaming needs work because it really does but I'm not going to say things like it's EZ mode compared to others games, when and TF2 and CoD ARE EZ mode: OSK, quick scope, no scope, yolo HS 180. Then almost every issue is about poor level design but you are blaming those issues on snipers.

Where's the kiddie table then? Stupid thread is stupid.

Fix the maps

- Make them 'larger', just so the redlines and the home bases can be pushed outward and away everything normally inside stays where it originally was

- Remove all high ground and remote areas behind the redlines and obstruct LOS whenever possible between home base and the core areas to prevent firing in or out

- patch wherever it's possible to head glitch

Make it possible or more viable than it actually is snipe tactically and not just strategically

Give the player the ability to temporarily remove not mitigate all sway - - press or hold x button while zoomed in to steady. And maybe players

1. Then stay in your buildings and move around using the uplinks that good snipers put up for you.

2. There's something called counter snipers. If you stack damage mods, you'll get OHKed

3. Almost all weapons in Dust are hit-scan

4. Head glitching doesn't exist. I've headshotted enough snipers to know this.

5. What does this have to do with anything?

6. Bowls work both ways. You're exposed when you're up high.

7. Redline sniping is extremely unrewarding, so that's only a problem with HAVs shooting down dropships

8. The redline doesn't affect real snipers.

9. If snipers are removed, it breaks a big part of the game. You lose your counter to people who make use of high ground (Note the complaints of mass drivers and forge guns every other build)


There are good snipers and bad snipers. The bad snipers don't get **** for WP anyway.

Meanwhile, assault rifles are overpowered as hell and completely dominate short, mid, and mid-long range combat.

Btw, it's been a while since the imps made an effort to encourage something stupid for their benefit.

I thought you guys rage quit a few months back?

And, of course, you pretend that it's not obvious I posted before you "treated me with respect" after insulting an entire class of players.

Also- in what universe did the imps benefit the community AT ALL?

But, now I get it. You quit Dust, went to other games, realized you're terrible at them, then went back to a game you still have a chance to exploit.

So true.

Think of us as Null Cannon extenders. We can ensure prolonged damage to the red MCC when we get the right angle on a hack point.


Munch

I know it is probably bad game design but I am am in the camp of adding not removing. I would rather see a anti sniper skill and module that when equipped would stop one round from hitting your armor per x amount of time.

The module could be a low slot module that could keep a sniper round from penetrating the shields. It would only work if the shields were 100%. The module could reduce shield regen rate or whatever. The skill would advance the merc through the tiers and a proficiency could reduce the shields needed by 4% a level. I f the sniper is good then you are dead anyways but it would give hacking and recon scouts a second chance and give players a counter to a redline sniper.

Firstly, let me apologize for the wall of text that follows. Your question is well-considered and requires a detailed response.

You are correct about the new maps and sockets. I've sniped on them all. As you point out the old maps were comparatively sniper friendly with wider open spaces and lines of sight to hack points.

The new maps do have more enclosed hack points, a state of affairs that irked me a great deal. I even got into a discussion with CCP LogicLoop about it (see post #68):

Chat with CCP LogicLoop

I didn't give up hope. I played the new maps hard and tried to break them down. I learned a few things. The new maps caused me to alter some of things I did as a sniper.

Now I run around far more than I did before. I get into sockets when I can and I throw out lots of uplinks, hives and REs. I hack a bunch and I now range over more of each map (usually both ends and both sides in the same game). I'm more likely to hit a Supply Depot and load up a new dropsuit so I can get more equipment to lay down in different places as the tide of battle changes.

I'm engaging at very close ranges in some places on the new maps, a *******-tightening experience for a sniper. This has caused me to get better at using my sidearm and has caused me to pay much closer attention to my radar and the situation around me.

On several of the hack points on new maps I can still get angles and kill effectively at the hack point itself.

What I can do is control the flow of the enemy around hack points with a combination of hacking CRUs, hacking turrets, placing REs, placing PEs, shooting red equipment and balls-to-the-wall sniping. The key is to find choke points that reds move through to get to objectives and kill them as they move through them.

All maps have a certain ebb and flow to them and I can see the patterns developing from my vantage points. All maps have key objectives that are always important. I know on a certain map, the team that controls "C" for most of the game usually wins. And I know the best places to cover it. And I know where the infantry runs to get there. And I know where the red snipers will be. And I know where and when to put uplinks down, so my team can put pressure on when the reds are away.

I've functioned as the team leader because I can see what is going on all over the map. On one map, for example, the best sequence of controlling hack points is to go "D", "A", "B". The team that does this first usually goes on to win.

I've skilled more deeply into dropships and LAVs to quickly get me to more places where I can be effective.

I honestly feel that the new maps have improved me as a sniper (on all maps) and as a member of my team. It's also way more exciting to be running around in places where an angry red proto fatty with an HMG could pop around a corner.

Having said all of this, it would be nice to have more areas of active play on the new huge maps and any new maps. It would give the sniper more relevance. The map guys could do this by moving some of the objectives around the map, rather than clustering several in one place. Or maybe they could add some objectives to under-played parts of the map.

Do I fear that we will become useless?

All the time.

Have we reached that point?

I don't think so.


Munch

Give us our humongous maps: once the enemy needs to cross from one area to another(be it via road, or crossing a river, or jumping a canyon) then a sniper can stop the whole enemy team, forcing them to put away their jeeps and call a DS- which is still futile as the sniper will pop the passengers.

Imagine on manus peak having to go far East past the sniper mountain and across to the plateau over yonder?
Snipers WILL be a main force, but they won't be until we get super big maps, same as the usefulness of tanks.

Since tracking weekly kdr, I've noticed that mine sits at around 30, no BS, add me to contacts then GMOL.

No one can guarantee match results prior to playing but statistically speaking I will take 30 clones for every 1 I spend.
What's not tracked is how many blueberry clones are saved in the process of going 30/0, the answer is ALOT.

While you're working on hacking objectives, I'm working on 'depleting clone reserves'.
Good snipers win the match for you faster than you can win it for yourself, WITHOUT the payout!
We don't do it for what you might consider a 'reward', we do it to completely dominate our opponents. That's is the reward.
The difference is that while your farming WP, I'm protecting your exposed ass.

People that hate on snipers either don't know how to utilize team chat or were recently on the receiving end of the massacre.
FYI: Whining on the forums about people who are better than you is not a viable tactic for winning matches.

That dude silhouetting himself on that hill under the MCC in the redline ain't a sniper, he's a noob(no offense newberries) who happens to be sniping.
Remember that redline you all cry about isn't protecting me from you, the redline is protecting YOU from ME.